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Wow.

I bawled my eyes out when Nathaniel and Bears showed up. I swear I actually felt like I was running up to hug them and finally releasing all the anger and frustration I felt from all the things done to Hannah and her family.

I think what I loved the most is that I didn't know if there would be a happy ending until the very last pages. Some of the resolutions were nothing I could have ever dreamed of, and the characters are so real, I felt a huge sense of relief that Curiosity was still around and kicking.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This book was better than I dreamed it could be. (Which really is saying alot, I knew it would be great!)

Soup -- I'm so glad that it worked for you. I was pretty relieved myself when Nathaniel and Bears showed up. It felt like a rescue to me, too.

I hope other people stop in here to talk about the book when they are finished. I'd love to get some feedback.

Soup,
That was one of my favorite parts. I felt like I was right there with Hannah. It was a totally amazing book!� :)

What do you think of Hannah and Ben?

I love Hannah and Ben!!!  The words...."Come to me" still give me shivers!!!!!!

Kathy,
I was so happy to see Hannah and Ben get together! That's another one of my favorite parts is the Hannah and Ben chemistry. Darn, the was a really good book!!� :)

I liked Ben a lot, but it took me a bit to get to know and like him. I didn't want Hannah to have to go through losing someone she loves again. I found him to be a bit like Strikes-the-Sky -teasing and flustering Hannah in such a perfect way. I was so very pleased that he was strong enough for Hannah, wouldn't be overshadowed by her, and he wasn't going to make her give up her family again.

Oh, and boy was he HOT!

exactly my thoughts!!� sigh!�

Yes, liked Ben, very glad to see Hannah have some happiness!
I've gotta say I would've preferred to see more about the folks in Paradise (ahem, next book...), but it was nice to find out more about Jennet, Luke, and their relationship with each other. I liked the irony (if that's the right word) of them adopting Adam, as well.
I do have a question that affects the premise of the whole book (and maybe I'm just slow, and missed something big)-what exactly was Honore's (boy is THAT name ironic)
motivation for stealing Nathaniel? I get that he was a psychopath and enjoyed causing pain, but did he go to that much trouble, just to please his grand-mere? Wouldn't it have been easier to find some "nice" New Orleans girl she approved of (as opposed to Jennet) and get a legitimate heir (that was actually his...)

Jennet gave Honore Nathan so that he would be safe from the false priest (sorry, the book is upstairs and I forgot how to spell his name) Nathan then was delivered to Agnes for safekeeping until Jennet could come and get him.

Agnes was told the child was Honore's, so at that time and place, even illegitimate, an heir coming from the right race could be accepted into the family.

Honore probably wanted to please his grandmere and sleep with Jennet, so he could kill two birds with one stone by bringing Nathan to Agnes.

I'm glad you like Ben. I'm really fond of him myself.

First and foremost I thought QoS was an excellent book.  There were sections I liked more than others but overall I was pleased with the way the story developed and was resolved.

My initial reaction to Hannah's casual/sexual relationship with Kit Wyndham was one of surprise.  When my daughter (16) read that part she was actually shocked and said she nolonger had respect for Hannah - I won't repeat the word she called her but I think you can guess what it was.  Possibly a reaction relevant to her age.

The way the character of Ben was developed was very good and I must admit I fell in love with him almost immediately.  I also appreciate the fact that Hannah explained what had happened to Strikes-the-Sky.  That side of her life was resolved for me because up until then I still wondered if he was actually still alive - it had been a mistake.

As far as the evil characters go Agnes & Honore Poiterin were very good.  I could almost hear Agnes talking while I read her dialogue (I pictured her in my mind she was so well described I thought).  I'll be honest I was surprised she didn't put up more of a fight when she was tied and her home set on fire.  I thought she had more  spunk in her! Honore's character didn't surprise me and his death was perfect in my eyes.  It was a nice touch Ben being responsible for his death.  I did at one stage think Nathanial would have done the deed.  Both men loving Hannah so much revenge was foremost in their minds.

I did find my attention started to wander during the extended passages in italics. Although I understood they were necessary in the development of the story I was anxious to return to Hannah and the other main characters.

I loved the ending of the story.  The use of letters written by Jennet and Elizabeth was the perfect way to end the story and tie up loose ends.  I also thought Curiosity comparing Ben to her husband Galileo was great.  Curiosity is such a respected character in the series this was a very nice touch in my opinion.

The entry into the story of Nathanial and Bears pleased me very much.  Upto that point I was missing the involvement of the family at Lakes in the Clouds.  The character of Nathanial from ITW was captured perfectly in his confidence and manner especially when he helped Ben escape from the field hospital - I like the way that was written.

Sorry for going on for so long - I thought it was a fabulous book and I look forward to the final book.
Dianne

I loved this book. I think Ben is more satisfying in some ways, than Strikes the Sky because he articulates his feelings.
Other things I liked about the book: the memento mori feeling (life was short and brutal and in some ways, more precious because of this); the facts about the different communities living in New Orleans and the almost aside about how the rich could afford to send their women and children away, but the poor couldn't; Luke falling into a job in the thick of things (a very Bonner trait); the vignettes about the other characters -- including Cousin Ethan. Hope we hear more about him in the next book; the description of Manny telling the story and Hannah articulating why he needed to. And generally, just the fact that it was more, wonderfully interesting material about characters I love. Off now, to re-read the other books.

You are all very good to give me feedback. It's really helpful to hear what worked and what didn't work quite so well.

DES -- I'm guessing there will be other people who have your daughter's reaction to Hannah's decisions. There are good reasons for it, but still some will be unhappy.

Rosina,
I agree with you there were good reasons for Hannah's actions and I think once people have read further on into the book they will start to understand why she did what she did.  I certainly did.  My daughter has only started reading the book so her reaction to Hannah was given immediately she read it - once she has read further into the book I am sure she will soften her attitude towards Hannah.  I think you made it very clear to the readers why she behaved in that manner and I think it was necessary for the good of the story.
Dianne

QOS is great as a sequel. It is fresh with new settings and new characters.

It is a great story. It is well written and keeps us interested. It leaves some space to be filled out by the reader. That is one of the aspects that make the book interesting. The reader has to think and consequently, learn and grow. It stirs up emotions related to war, racism, prejudice, power, slavery and some of our conventional ways of behavior.

The above comment about Hannah�s relationship with Kit Wyndham makes me think that moral values are creation of a specific society. Comparing European Christian-white people and Indians: there are a lot of different points of view, different moral values, and sexuality is one of them. Hannah is part Indian and was raised by an unconventional family. Her behavior fits perfectly.

Ben is a great new character, my hero - intelligent, strong and competent � a match for Hannah. Please do not kill him. So far, all Hannah�s men have died (Liam, Strikes-the-Sky and Kit).

Rosely -- I rarely do this, but I'll make a promise: Ben is not going to die. And thank you for making the point about cultural differences in approaches to sexuality. I am trying not to tell people what I meant to convey. Either it's well enough written that it comes across, or not. To try to explain after the fact is a trap I don't want to get caught in.

I hope I didn't open a hornets nest by my comments about Hannah's relationship with Kit - that wasn't my intentions.  I fully understood the cultural differences but I was trying to give an honest appraisal of what I thought of QoS and my daughter's initial reaction.  As I said in an earlier post Rosina clearly explained what she meant to convey within the story and doesn't need to explain further.  In hindsight I wish I hadn't made that comment.

DES-- absolutely not, no hornet's nest. I'm glad you passed on your daughter's thoughts. It's better to know how people are reacting. This is not something that could ever offend me, okay?

DES � Do not regret your comment, just because it brought a little discussion, which is the purpose of this forum. Here we can share our thoughts, impressions and opinions in a constructive way. That is the fun of it.

Hi Rosina,
I am new to this board, but I have been a fan of yours since I found Into the Wilderness about 5 years ago.  I always get the book on the day that it is published. I went out today to B&N very excited to get QOS and was told they didn't have them yet.  I was further surprised that they only had 4 copies ordered.  I called 2 other big chain stores in my area that carry books and neither of them have it either.  Is this a common problem?  Unfortunately, there is only 1 "bookstore" in my city even though I am in a medium sized city.  I am just so disappointed.  I could have ordered from Amazon, but I wanted the book today, so decided not to.  :(  Any ideas of who has the book in stock today?  Thank you so much for your help.  I can't wait to read this book.

Debbie

Thank you Rosina & Rosely, I am relieved that I didn't upset anyone or offend you Rosina, that is the last thing I would want to do.  I think you are such a talented and generous lady.  The fact you come online and answer all our questions and participate in the discussions is very special to me.  Thank you

Debbie -- I've had some other people tell me about similar problems. I am not happy, and my agent is definitely not amused. I'll forward your information to her, and see if we can figure out what's going on.

DES -- it's pretty hard to offend me. Really. So ask away, and I'll do what I can.

Rosina,
I live near San Jose, CA, which is a large city.  I called different B&N and Borders in SJ as well today and none of them had the books in stock yet.  I wasn't able to get a copy.  Just an FYI.  Thank you for your concern.  I hope to get one in the next day or two. 

Debbie

What a beautiful, beautiful book.  I've loved this series since the very beginning, and I've never been disappointed along the way.  I expected QoS to live up to previous expectations, but I have to say, this is my second favorite of the series, after Into the Wilderness (although I love them all, of course.)

Like a lot of other people, I'm impatient for news of what's going on in the lives of Elizabeth and Nathaniel and company, but I found myself completely forgetting about their existence for periods of time while reading QoS (only to be happily reminded of them each time Hannah felt their presence.)  Hannah has become such an intelligent and interesting adult, because she was an intelligent and interesting child, and it was wonderful to follow along behind her in this book.  I love Ben, and I'm so happy she found someone who is her equal to share her life with. 

I <i>knew</i> somehow that Nathaniel and Bears were going to show up in the end.  It just seemed right, that they could be the only ones that could make things right for Hannah, and for Ben.  I wish Elizabeth could have been there as well, but understand why she could not, and I can't wait to see what kind of person Carrie becomes (not to mention Nathan and Adam!)

I could go on and on about every character and every plot point, but suffice to say, I cheered and booed and laughed and wept (hopefully in all the right places), and the book was everything I hoped it was going to be.  Bravo Rosina!

why, thank you kindly. I'm so pleased. Did you have a favorite scene or part?

I'd have a lot of trouble choosing a favorite scene, I think.� I loved all of the scenes between Hannah and Ben, especially the ones prior to the consummation of their feelings for each other, because the tension between them was so obvious and palpable.� I really liked the scene where Ben first kisses her, because there were so many different emotions and feelings flying around, quickly followed by a whole different set of emotions when Hannah realized Luke was the person in the back of the wagon.

And of course, I really loved the scene where Nathaniel and Bears first make their appearance.� I knew when I read that militiamen had arrived by keelboats that they had to have been on the boats, especially when you described the clothing the men were wearing, and I was just waiting for the line that would introduce them into the storyline.� I could literally feel the relief Hannah must have felt at that point, and when she cried in the last scene in that chapter, I cried a little bit too.� I also cried buckets when I read Curiosity's letter to Hannah, because I was so worried about the possibility of Hannah never seeing her again.� Curiosity has always been one of my favorite characters and I was very relieved and happy to hear that she was alive and well.

I'm very much looking forward to the next book, but they are definitely worth the wait.� :)

Hi all,
  It has been forever since I have been able to join in any discussion about Sara's books.  I had to reregister. LOL at any rate, I got the book QoS yesterday and I have not been able to put it down.  I was almost afraid to read it.  But once I began it was like seeing old friends.  The characters are all so "real".  I have always been drawn to Nath., but with this book I can see Luke much, much better.  There are some real similarities between father and son in personality  and that is probably why I can see him as well.
Thanks Sara for a chance to escape from my life as a mother of 5 homeschooled kids. 

Brick

Brick, it's good to see you again. So glad you could find a little time to stop in, and that you are enjoying the book. And hey to those five little ones.

I loved it!  I'll start by saying that I also was not thrilled with the Hannah/Kit relationship, but for different reasons.  Kit was not the right man for Hannah.  While he had affection for her, he could never truly love her for who she was.  I was very relieved when Ben entered the picture.  Finally, the perfect man for Hannah!  Well done, Rosina.  Ben is strong, brave, and competent.  Like Hannah, he is a mix of races, and so he understands and appreciates everything that makes Hannah special.  I also liked Nathaniel's observation that Ben is smarter than Hannah, and Elizabeth's comment that he has no illusions of controlling her. 

The hardest part of the book for me was Hannah's attack.  I literally had to put the book down at the start of the attack so that I could pace the floor, and wring my hands, and take deep breaths.  Rosina, was it as difficult for you to write, as it was for me to read?

I loved that Nathaniel and Bears showed up to help, and that it was with Elizabeth's blessing.  I felt the same relief that Hannah and Jennet did.

And now back to Kit.  I felt throughout the whole book that Kit was going to die, I just didn't know how.  I was very relieved that it was at the hands of Honore' and not one of Hannah's men. 

What I wanted most from this book was for Hannah to find happiness again, and you delivered. 

I am going to go more into detail in the morning (its late here) but Ifinished the book tongiht and WOW! Rosina I can not put into words how wonderful this beek was. I love Hannah and Ben, perfect fit there, but I must admit there were times when I wanted to march up to you and say "hasn't she been through enough!?!" or just climb into the book and take care of business myself. That is the power your words have, they spin such a detailed story that I feel as though I am right there with the characters, and that they are people I know and love. I can not wait to see what you cook up with this new generation of Bonners (2 boys and a girl, quite the handful.. perhaps Ben, Hannah, Lily and Simon wil help those numbers grow? hint hint) So to finish off for tonight, Rosina, once again you have out-done yourself.

I appreciate all the kind and supportive words. When you have the time, I would really like to hear whatever you can provide in terms of detailed response.

I am frustrated cuz I ordered mine from B&N back in September.� I just checked and it still hasn't been shipped.� I got an email from them on 10/28 saying it was going to be shipped but then got another email that said the release date had been changed so it wasn't going to be shipped.� Sure I could go out and buy it but I am basically lazy and love having stuff delivered to my house.� Do we have any more info about what is going on?

BD

My B&N got it in on Nov 1st, so I was able to get it the day after the release.  I'm sorry you still don't have yours.  Sounds like some confusion.

I had ordered it from B&N online...they obviously didn't stock enough copies cuz when I called them they said they had to wait for the 2nd printing before they could ship and it wouldn't be until Nov. 27th.  I said **** that and cancelled my order with them.  I then went to Amazon and ordered one.  It will still be a week or so before I get it but that is a heck of a lot better than B&N.  Geesh.

BD

I finished it today.� I'm still recovering my emotions!�
I had tears streaming down my face as I read the final letters from Jennet and Elizabeth.� The emotions that I feel for these characters just overwhelm me at times!
I LOVE Ben.� Just love him.� I was very nervous throughout the book because I was certain that he wouldn't leave his home.�
The conversation between Nathaniel, Bears, and Hannah in Ben's apartment, when they were telling her that she needed to choose him as her husband, was one of my favorite parts.� I could just picture them sitting there looking at Hannah with their amusement and quick comment.� I just wanted to hug Bears!� I was laughing out loud during that conversation - it was just so wonderfully written that I could see and hear the whole thing taking place!�
I think I can foresee (what do I know? I'm not the writer), Ben possibly having a huge part in Daniel's emotional recovery.� Nathaniel trusted Ben with Daniel's rifle, which caused Ben to inquire of Hannah about Daniel's story - for some reason, I just feel that this 'connects' Ben to Daniel.� I don't know if I'm explaining myself clearly or not.
I'm uncertain about the promises made between Hannah and Ben about not fighting.� When Ben stated that if their family were in danger, Hannah would want him to defend, I couldn't help but think to myself that yes, she would.� Her father, her uncle, and her brother would defend their families - this is proven in the fact that Nathaniel and Bears came to New Orleans - so, I just can't picture Hannah's husband being a man who wouldn't immediately defend his family if it were needed.� In fact, I can't picture Hannah not fighting and defending either.
Ok, I've been rambling on and on and I really should stop now.
Excellent book - I loved it - now I'm just sad it's over.

Misty, now that you brought it up, I can make the connection between Ben and Daniel as well. Let's see...

And I agree with you too about the conversation among Nathaniel, Bears and Hannah - it is really good. At that moment I new Ben would go home with Hannah.

Okay, off the top of my head...I bawled every time we got a letter from Paradise.  And when Bears and Nathaniel showed up.

I really enjoyed getting to know Hannah better in this book.  In many ways she's felt very distant and reserved since Dawn - I know she's been through a lot, but I felt like grown-up Hannah was too hard to know up until this book.

I loved Ben for her.  Simon's still my favorite, though.  And I really can't wait to see what happens to Daniel.

I had a difficult time getting into the story once they got to Pensacola (I got over it quickly, though).  So many characters were introduced in such a short time, it was hard to keep people straight.  And since I've had no experience with French/Cajun names, that made it even more difficult.  Not sure how to get around that problem, though.  Hopefully with a second read everything will be clearer.

I believe Honore has passed Moncrieff in the most-hated villain category.

As mentioned by others, I absolutely loved the scene where Nathaniel and Bears talk to Hannah about Ben.  She's so strung out and they're so calm and amused.  Very, very funny stuff.

I really enjoyed reading about the War of 1812 and the New Orleans of the time.  The description of the slave market really brought the horrors of slavery to life, especially seeing them through Luke's eyes, as he was experiencing it for the first time, too.

Great book, Rosina!

I just finished QoS last night. I have to say I think its the best one so far in the series.� I got it Friday so that's 4 days. I was so happy that Hannah played a big part in the plot while I like Jennet, I'm very fond of Hannah.

The whole culture of New Orleans at that time must have taken a lot of research and while I consider myself southern I was shocked and somewhat offended that Hannah had to be refered to as a "Free woman of Color". Oh, that left a bad taste in my mouth, as I'm sure it was suppose to.

One question, was/is there really a law that stated that women of color had to wear whatever on their heads? Women of the time period generally wore some kind of little bonnet (think Amish) or scarf or something no matter what their color but I had no idea it was law.

I also see where the reviewer got 'Nathan' as the babies name. LOL

I'm so glad to hear that you've started working on another one. We'll see how well Ben does in Northern climes. While I love Hannah, her story is so sad but then I can't think of one 'Indian' story that isn't.

Great job on this one. Jeanne

Not finished yet - (I'm savoring the book as much as possible) - but had to say, my my, how our Hannah has turned into a woman. 

I absolutely adore Hannah - love her.  She is up there with Elizabeth Bennett as one of my favorite characters.  But her love scenes made me feel almost intrusive and a bit over-protective. Our Hannah...wow!  I just loved growing up with her.  Her life with Strikes-the-Sky was so vague - we were given such a tiny glimpse of her life with him.  And her one love scene with him was so nondescript.  But with Ben....yowza!  I felt like covering my eyes and giving them a little privacy. 

Up until this book, Hannah still held a bit of youth and vulnerability.  This time around, I can definitely see her strengths and her maturity.  She's fabulous.  I love how you've developed her character.

I'm loving every minute of this read.  I'll be back with more once I finish.  :)

I know what you mean about Hannah's love scenes. I had to stop reading for a moment and remind myself that all parents have to go through the time when they realize their child has sex. Crazy.

I have been here several times to write this post, but can't seem to get my head around it - finally here goes.
It feels a bit lame to say it, but it would seem that once again most of us are on the same wavelength.

I really enjoyed the story - like many others I was waiting for Nathaniel and Bears to show up, and was so relieved when they did.

I am a little concerned about how Hannah will feel about Adam as he grows up, with him at this early stage showing such a physical resemblance to his father (maybe I should say sire - 'cos Father means lots of good things to me and that chap doesn't deserve to be able to make any claim on that from what I can see).

I was pleased to be reminded in the story about the way the women have the freedom to choose their bed partners in the way that Hannah did, it made it easier to understand her choices.

I missed Elizabeth but felt the letters at the end tied the story up beautifully.

I think Ben is the right person for Hannah, but I was also worried that he wouldn't be able to leave his family.

Once again thank you Rosina.I really admire your talent and the way that your storytelling takes me to another time and place.

I loved it!� Great read, great story, great characters!� Wonderful job Sara!

"But I fear there is no girl left in her anymore, which is a sorrow to me"

This one line from Nathaniel to Elizabeth summed up my feelings regarding Hannah in this book.� There is just so little of the girl we grew up with in the woman we have today.� You did a beautiful job of giving us a glimpse of the scars and heartache that she's experienced throughout her life.� Considering all that she's been through and all that's she's seen, I absolutely understand her fears.

I wasn't ready for Hannah to move on with Ben.� I loved her and Strikes-the-Sky so much that I had already closed myself off to the idea of her being with someone else.� But you got me to love her as I'd love any member of my family - and in the end, I just wanted her to be happy.

The pain and emotional baggage she carried around was overwhelming.� While she loved her husband, you reminded us of the obstacles that do exist in any marriage.� I was happy that you gave us closure but didn't diminish her love for Strikes-the-Sky.� The woman she was with him was a far different woman that we had in this book.� But she loved him to the best of her abilities - she learned to understand his demons, to build a life with him, and face the obstacles that came with his world.�

We were never given a chance to see her anger in the previous book.� She was always a solid rock - a strong woman that continually moved forward and did what she had to do.� She was the woman that buried her son, turned and walked home.� But to see her angry at everything that she felt had a hand in taking away those she loved, at the weakness she saw in herself - that was heartbreaking.�

Those moments where she couldn't understand why Ben would fight for a country that didn't accept him, that destroyed so many lives, really made me see the conflict she had within herself, as well as all the unresolved anger she was clinging to.

It was Ben's understanding of that anger that really warmed me up to him.� This time, it was Hannah with the angry demons - and it was Ben who had to leave his life in New Orleans so that she could finally live hers.� He was the kind of man she needed.  He was to her what I think she was to Strikes-the-Sky. 

I was a little weary of the promises they made to each other in the end.� But I commend Hannah for telling Ben that this was the woman that she was, he had to love all of it.� Despite the time that has passed, she still has a lot of healing to do.� She will still be controlled by her fears.� I have no doubts that Ben will really help her heal.� And I have no doubts that Hannah will not take anything away from the man Ben really is.

Now for the rest of the book (LOL) - wonderful, wonderful job with setting the background.� The sights and smells of New Orleans were very well written.� The culture, the society, the beauty of New Orleans was unbelievable.� You really have a way with words.

I loved Nathaniel & Runs-from-Bears showing up.� It was when they showed up that we finally saw some of Hannah's vulnerability. Every time they were in a scene, I just broke out in a smile.� From Runs wanting to bring an alligator home to Nathaniel's self-assured strut into camp to rescue Ben - all of it made me smile.

I have so much more to say - but I think my boss would appreciate it if I did some work around here.

Great job Sara!

I also posted some commentary on my book site (although, it's pretty much what I said here too)

http://z11.invisionfree.com/MyBookBuddies

Hi Rosina,

Thank you for another GREAT book! I have to say that QoS is now my favorite in the Series.

At the end of FAtS, I had been hoping for a happy storyline for Hannah in QoS - even though you had warned us that she still had a bumpy road ahead. Did she ever! There were so many unanswered questions for me regarding the relationship between Hannah and Strikes-the-Sky. Specifically, there seemed to be a sort of shroud of mystery surrounding the time before his death, which to me seemed like they had started to emotionally separate. This was cleared up for me in QoS in the way Hannah described to Ben the intense anger that motivated Strikes-the-Sky. It seems to me that even had he lived, how much happiness and harmony could there be between them (Hannah being half-white)..? So in my mind, the unanswered questions I had about Strikes-the-Sky have been happily laid to rest!

Oh, Lord - do I love Ben! When he told Hannah, "I unsettle you. Have you figured out why?...Because we fit..." Perfect! And so true that I laughed! I love how different in temperment he is from Strikes-the-Sky. Ben seems to be very patient, considerate, (and hallelujah!) thorough.

Although Hannah did have a rough time of it, I found her storyline completely satisfying. I am more than relieved and so happy for her that she has found her equal in Ben. I can't wait to see more of them and hopefully find out more of Ben's personal past. He seems to have lived, some.

I also wanted to comment that I found it interesting how Nathaniel reacted to Hannah (obviously) sharing Ben's bed, and his encouragement of her choosing Ben, in contrast to how he and Elizabeth guided Lily in her relationsip with Simon. I think you very nicely illustrated not only the basic cultural distinction even between these sisters ("You're a Kahnyen'kehaka of the Wolf Longhouse. You pick your own husband and do the asking," compared to the impropriety of Lily travelling alone with Simon from Canada.), but also that when it comes to parenting, the guidance and care of each child is distinct and individual. Again, nicely done!

Someone mentioned the possibility of Daniel and Rachel. I can't help but wonder if Rachel and Ethan might cross paths...

As to poor Jennet, I found that her reactions which at times seemed selfish, also struck me as very true to life and motherhood. Although I was irked by her quick reaction to turn Kit in as a spy, though he had assisted in her rescue, I can't help but empathize as a mother. I have to be honest in evaluating how I would respond if the safety of my children/family were in jeopardy. I too would do whatever I felt necessary to the safety of those I love, selfish or no. Not to say that she didn't have reservations or guilt, but survival is a primal instinct. After having an initial negative and somewhat shocked reaction to her attitude, I really thought about it and basically I came to the conclusion that her reaction was true to life and I really couldn't blame her. Well done Rosina!

I am very eagerly, yet patiently, awaiting the next book. I have always loved Daniel, and feel that he is a very special person. I can't wait to see how his story unfolds!

I finished QoS in two days, which is saying a lot as I have 2 year old twins! Even since I finished, I haven't been able to put it down. I keep referencing back to different parts of the story as it continues to marinate. Thanks again Rosina! You rock!

I am having a rough day, two hours at the chiropractor (my back has been a misery to me lately) and feeling down, but let me say, these posts really raised my spirits. It's tremendously uplifting to find that readers really get the story you were trying to tell, with all the nuances.

Thank you all. Thank you thank you thank you.

Thank you Rosina!
I can't even begin to say how much your books mean to me and how precious the escape is that you provide. The world you created is so powerful and gets better with every reading. Thank you so much for sharing your talent, and thank you so much for creating this forum, it helps keep me sane.

Yes Rosina - Thank YOU!
My dad came over last night... so, he now is beginning QOS!  Yay!  I told him "Whatever you are reading right now, just put it down.  You can come back to it AFTER Queen of Swords!"

Glad we made you feel better Sara.  I hope your back is better.

Sorry about your aches and pains, Rosina. I've been there. Actually, I'm still there.

I can also relate to feeling a bit down this time of year. I only recently realized how much I craved a little sunshine! I moved from Portland, OR to Dallas, TX about two years ago, and the change was dramatic. Although I love the NW, and nothing can match it's beauty, we sure paid for it from October to May! Every time I visit I'm shocked by the affect the weather has on me. Even after a few days of the overcast, dark weather I'm ready for some sunshine!

Anyway, my point is a few days in the sun always does me good!

Take care (and after 2 hrs at the chiropractor, drink lots o water!),

Anna

Now that I'm finished, I can post here. In fact, I will copy and paste here the comment I posted late at night after I finished reading the book.... Looking forward to reading your comments and discussing with you. :) RHG
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There are streaks of happy tears on my face.
I just finished reading the book.
What a story!
It is late, and I must sleep now, but I wanted to say thank you.
So much beauty!

Well AnnaBanana and Rosina, I wouldn't wish back pain on anyone, but I do find it encouraging that someone else understands. Thank God for chiropractors and ice packs. Hope you both feel better and can enjoy this weekend.
-Robin

I finished last night as well.

I was on the train, and normally whenever I finish a book I pick up the next one and start reading. I got my next book up, and then realised that I couldn't just move on straight away from QOS, and ended up sitting looking out the window contemplating what had just happened.

Once I have a few minutes today I am going to go through this thread as I have been avoiding it!! I look forward to discussing some of the things that happened in it!

Fantastic read!!!  I finished it and then immediately reread it!  Getting to know Ben was like peeling an onion...layer after layer after layer. 

Jennet was a delight...when she did that harangue of Mr. Corbin laying on her total Scots...it was like she was wrapping him up in verbal bandages...a Scots mummy as it were. 

The relationship between Jennet and Hannah.  They hold each other up but could also cut each other to the quick with just a word or a glance.  Then when Hannah was talking to Luke about how Jennet had insisted he join up with the Choctaw unit and she says..."I have this idea that together Jennet and Ben could set even the government to rights".  I LOVE that line...and it is so true.

Great book!  Great characters!  Great relationships!

BD

Rosina,
I finished the book and loved it. I neglected my family for a few days, I just couldn't put it down. You created a good love story for Hannah and a very good mate for her. I wondered if it could be done. I wasn't to crazy about her run in with H.P. but even that you did tastefully. I love the way you tell a story. I know it will be a while untill you finish the next book but I will wait patiently.
Thanks

Finally finished it today, so here are my thoughts, in no particular order...

The book starts off strong and keeps right on going.  There's really never a moment when I could easily have put it down because the pace never lets up. 

I was a little disappointed at the fact that Anselme Degr� was dealt with so quickly, as we don't get any more information about his character, which was one I had found fascinating in FatS.  He seemed like such a well-drawn villain, so creepy, and call me a masochist, but I wanted more!

The Poiteran family, on the other hand, didn't really do anything for me.  They were bad people, yes, but the grandmother was so ridiculously arrogant that she hardly ever felt like a threat.  Honor� did some horribly, horrible things (the scene with Hannah was heartwrenching), but I wasn't ever scared of him the way I was scared of Degr�.  He was just such a weak man that he seemed pathetic in the face of the many strong male characters.  And I never really understood his motivation for going after Jennett or wanting the baby.

Ben Savard was perfect.  Perfect man, perfect for Hannah.  I love that he smiles so much.  That kind of positive energy is so sexy.  And I loved that he came home with Hannah--the ending was great.

I have more to say but my daughter is tugging on my hand.  I'll be back--

Rosina, you are the one we need to thank!

I am sorry that you are in pain... I wish there was something more that I could do or say other than I understand how you feel and I hope you get better soon. I am sorry I have yet to put a long post about my thoughts on QOS, I have not been at the computer alot and have been out of sorts myself. I will try to get to it soon, but most of what I have to say has been covered. Your works are deep, and cover so many levels of emotion and make you really think about what you are reading. It isn't just fluff. As I read what you wrote (and this has always happened with your works) it made me want to research the places and people you wrote about. You words spin a web that fills the imagination. I can see Hannah's sweat soakes face as she is lost in the fever, feel Nathanial's relife at seeing his children.. I could go on and on. But for now I will stop here.

Feel better. KL

Okay, let's see what else I wanted to say.

I like the way that Jennett's character evolved in QoS.� She went through so many difficulties, and although it was hard at times to see her so different from her previous self, I think the change was realistic.� I also thought her relationship with Luke was handled in a believable way.� I don't feel like they've completely worked through all their issues, but some of that may be the basic differences in their personalities, which will always generate friction for them as a couple.

I'm also intrigued by the character of Daniel; even in the little we heard about him back home in Paradise, I get a strong sense of who he is.� I think there has to be some reconcilitation between he and Lily as well.� She needs to come home and be part of him finding peace with himself.� Plus I just want to see more of Simon! :)� Although I have to say that my choice of man may have changed after reading QoS--I really like Ben.

I particularly enjoyed the descriptions of New Orleans.� I got a real sense of time and place, and what a fascinating city it is to get to know.� Such a mass of contradictions.�

I'm sure there's more that I'm forgetting, but I'll wait until we get into the topics more in depth.

All your comments here have convinced me the books will be a worthwhile investment in good spirits (always needed). It's amazing how it's no spoiler at all, just more enticement to read. Thanks!

The way I understood it, Honore' s interest in Jennet had to do with her connections with the Earl of Carryck and her money.� He really had no interest in the baby other than he was a way to get to Jennet.� Of course, when his grandmother fell in love with the baby, it was also a means of keeping her happy.

squeak25 -- that's what I was hoping would come across. Thanks for putting it so clearly.

You're welcome, I'm just happy that I had it right!

I finished the book a few days ago and find I miss them all already and am contemplating starting the whole series over again (despite the fact that I did just that just before QoS arrived!).

This was a great story and, as much as I was homesick for Paradise, I loved following the journey of these younger Bonners - but for me, it was the most stressful and dark book of the series. I felt myself worrying the whole time about what was going to happen next and the hits seemed to just keep coming. The presence of the Savards and the Livingstons provided some balm to my stress, and Ben was such a strong and all-knowing (or so it seemed!) character that any time he stepped up to help or was around, I felt better and knew things would be okay. As many others have said, he's an excellent partner for Hannah, in every way.

I found the change in Jennet very sad, but understandable, given what she had been through, and was glad in the end to read her letter home and find some return to her former, spunky self in there. The overtaking of Priest's Town and her rescue at that point seemed rather effortless and quick, as did her reunion with Nathan, and later, her reunion with Hannah followed immediately with her, Hannah and Nathan all together. I think I was expecting it to be a longer struggle. After that, I found myself racing through the story awaiting Luke's return, which really did take a long time!

Nathaniel and Bear's appearance was at once both SO welcome and really odd - they seemed so out-of-place in this story - a bit like having your grade-school friends meet your college friends. Two worlds coming together. It was hugely comforting to see them, and like each character in the book, I missed all the other family so much and so craved the rare letters from Paradise that I read them several times when they did appear. In the previous books, we've usually basically known what was happening on "the other side" and the letters didn't have as much impact (don't get me wrong, though, I LOVE the letters and find them to be such an wonderful addition to the stories).

It occured to me toward the end of the book that the series is telling Hannah's story - starting from her childhood in ITW, growing up and becoming the woman we see in QoS. We are with her - hearing her thoughts and following her experiences - quite heavily in every book. Of course, we follow and hear others, as well, but she seems to be a constant throughout.

On a slightly different topic: earlier this week I was in the B&N where I bought QoS (they had one copy at that time) and am pleased to report that they now have 3 copies in stock on the shelf. They don't have any of the other books in the series, though.

Rosina/Sara

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

I finally finished it last night.  It was a bit of a suprise and a nice change of location.  Ben is Yummy. 

This book may have also saved my sanity.  I read it through out the writing of the 737 page grant that is going to employ me and quite a few other people through 2010.  I was able to lose myself in this book to get away from the grant for a little while each day. 

Thanks again.  I just gave it to my mom who has been waiting patiently.

I finished last night as well, excellent story!! Love Ben to pieces much more then Strikes-the-Sky actually and I believe that Hannah may have felt the same way :o in a more mature kind of love way of course.

I was so glad to see Nathaniel and Bears, still not enough of Luke for me, not to much about his character IMHO.�

Still so much to say can't wait for the discussions.

Thanks Rosina absolutely wonderful book.

Edited to add:What I mean by that is what really makes the man tick, who is the real Luke.

She's mildly obsessed Rosina.

Robyn? Nah.

I knew I was going to be too busy to read the book when it came out so I purposely waited to read it.  My school district gave us the whole week off for Thanksgiving, so I had planned to read it then.  It was like knowing there was a special gift waiting for me.  And it was a gift. 

The story drew me in and held me until the last word.  I loved the setting.  The historical facts woven through their lives really worked.  I was happy to see Hannah working in the smaller clinic.  When she knew, finally, that they accepted her, it was a relief.

Reading (through the tears) when Poiterin was mauling her was the most difficult part to get through.  But Hannah began to empower herself even as it was happening.  No matter what he did, he couldn't take that from her.  "I am Walks-Ahead of the Wolf Clan..."

Ben was also a relief.  He is perfect for Hannah and I'm so glad they ended up together.  I loved it when Hannah laid down the ground rules about him not going off to war again.  When she told him about Manny and the anger they had carried it was such a ...relief.

I seem to be relieved about a lot!!!  But all those months of waiting for the book were hard on a body. :P

The letter from Curiosity just sent me over the edge.  "You get yourself home to us who love you best...."  Oh my goodness, that's exactly how I felt!!!

Thank you Rosina

You are so welcome.

I loved the promise about Ben not going to war. I can almost imagine that one day those words will come back to haunt them both since he got a promise from her as well.

I finished the book Saturday morning, and I've read through this entire thread. Now, since I'm generally in agreement with everyone else who LOVED QoS, let me try to say something that hasn't been said yet.� Stick with me... I have good things to say, though this next paragraph sounds critical.� You'll see where I'm going.

So... Titine's family and their relationship to/with the Poiterins was not significant to me as I read the details early in the book.� I thought it was all to convince me that she disliked the Poiterins and therefore would help the Bonners -- so I didn't retain the specifics.� Later, when it became clear to me that those details were significant, I couldn't recall what I'd read.� Maybe I missed some clue early on, and certainly I'm an "in-one-ear-out-the-other" reader to a degree, but I wish I'd realized Titine's significance to the plot earlier.� I'll pay more attention when I re-read it!

On the other hand, Rosina, I've never been forced to turn back to the beginning in order to understand what's happening "now" in the story.� You always provide enough detail to remind me of something I'd skimmed earlier, without seeming to repeat yourself unnecessarily.� Since I don't have to stop and refresh my memory, and since you're skilled at including details without bogging down the action, the pace doesn't slow down in the exciting moments!� Congratulations on achieving that balance.

Related to this is that this book seems to be one which could stand alone without the previous four books to add to the enjoyment.� Of course, this is hard to judge, as one who has recently read the first four.� But while many readers missed the folks from Paradise, I didn't.� I love them, I enjoy Hannah and Jennet and Luke's characters more because I know where they've come from, but I didn't feel the story was lacking for their absence.� The letters from home and her occasional thoughts of home were enough to make clear Hannah's deep need to return there.

Oh, and another think I liked, streaming along in my consciousness, is seeing the Bonner-like connection among this next generation.� They're loyal to each other, they respect and call upon the wisdom and traditions of their elders, they're proud of where they come from, they're smart and strong and hard-working.�

I always say it's the characters that make or break a story for me, and there were many, many strong characters in QoS.� Honore was a bully to cover his cowardice.� Kit was an honest man bound first and always by duty.� Paul Savard was unafraid to see the truth and do right.� Luke... he did what must be done, as would any Bonner man, but I look forward to learning more about him.� Ben was the embodiment of all things good in the men of Hannah's life experience, strong and smart and good, but the reader spends the book believing that Hannah will never be able to have him AND her beloved family both.� Great tension.� And the women, oh, the women are strong.� I'm running out of time to go on about it, though, and this post is already so long, so I'll just conclude with a big LOVED IT!  Thanks, Rosina!

You raise an interesting point about Titine and her family. I have been wondering how much attention readers pay to Madame Soileau, who also starts out with a small role and then assumes a very large one. She's got a big backstory that's only hinted at, and her relationship to Titine and Titine's mother is crucial to the resolution of some major plot points, especially re Honore.

In fact there's a whole squadron of characters who work behind the scenes, free men and women of color and slaves. They bring certain things to pass and then fade into the shadows. Nobody has mentioned this yet, and I'm wondering if I underdid it.

I agree about the Bonner connection.� We also see how Hannah's elders will always be part of who she is, I love it when she repeats who she is, I am Walks Ahead of the....

This may seem predictable but it's true Luke was in the book but I found he was a secondary character I did not feel as connected to him in this story.� Ben I swear I knew it all along that he was coming back to Paradise.

Two questions concerning our Hannah...

Where has her lack of self confidence come from in regards to men? Why does she continually need to protect herself from them, she did it with Strikes-the-Sky as well.� I would just like to know where she's coming from in regards to her relationship with the opposite sex.

Her rape, I'm always amazed when a character overcomes such a brutal horrifying almost left for dead act, maybe she's just strong and won't let him take her self worth or peace of mind with him but I felt that the rape was dealt with too fast and easy.  Don't get me wrong, I was glad that she overcame it and was able to be with Ben but I needed more healing for her.

Thanks for listening Rosina and again I loved the book.

I was very impressed and in awe of the power behind Madame Solieu.  I was very intrigued by her character.  One of the things I loved about your writing was the numerous layers you created within New Orleans society.  Honore's grandmother had enormous power within that society - but IMO it paled in comparison to the other women within New Orleans. 

QOS has so much lasting power because of those layers.  I know I can re-read this book over many times over and discover yet another source of intrigue and character growth and strength.

I don't see Hannah at all lacking in self confidence in regards to men.  I think she's had her guard up regarding death and further loss - but not in her ability to love.  I noted earlier that I didn't feel her maturity diminished her love for Strikes-the-Sky - their relationship was a victim of circumstances much bigger than Hannah.  Had they not been surrounded continually by tragedy and devastation, they would have had a far different relationship.  She adapted to the world Strikes-the-Sky put her in because she loved him.  If she hadn't cared so deeply about him, she never would have immersed herself in the cause that he believed in so much. 

I think Hannah recognized that in this book.  She was a far different woman then than she was now.  At the end of QOS, I think we see the beginning of her healing and reconciliation with who she is - but there is still a lot of unresolved issues for her.  She's seen some of the very worse of human nature, from both the Indian and White sides of her.  All this time, she forced herself to move past the pain and not dwell on it.  Now, she has begun truly dealing with what has happened to her.

I did expect more difficulty healing from her though.  I felt it came too easy at times.  But, she has lost so much in her life that she found a way to do what it took to move on.  She lost a son - a child that was a part of her, that she loved.  She lost a husband, a family, even a part of her belief system.  Years later, she was still standing up and taking care of herself.  She found a way to move forward.  She used that same mentality to move herself forward from another tragedy.  Maybe she recognized that her body was just a vessel.  Honore couldn't really destroy the very essence of her.  The women in her life taught her that, I think.  And her experiences in the past were lessons that reinforced that.

I don't know how exactly to put this without it sounding too melodramatic. I was raped and left for dead. I was completely fine with it after I physically healed. I would not let that stranger have that kid of power over me. I would not let my friends and family see me defeated. It wasn't until 2 years later, when a boyfriend broke up with me, that my mental state crashed. It was then that the feeling of being damaged goods came, and shame that I wasn't strong enough to fight him off.

When I read the scene with Hannah, I wondered if her healing was complete. She had made a point earlier that she couldn't tell some people about Strikes-the-Sky because she didn't want to be burdened by their reaction. (Sorry -paraphrasing from a book I haven't read in a while) She might have a lot more internal healing to do, but doesn't want to share it with others so that it is easier. I wonder if having a child would bring back so many memories a real healing could occur, I wonder if she'll eventually tell Ben everything she needs to.

Then again, I am looking at this from a modern perspective. I had help when I needed it, and there is public support for victims. Will it be different in Paradise? Will anyone there know about it? It is a very intriguing turn - I'm interested in seeing the final outcome.

Soupie - I appreciate your sharing that part of you.  I am a rape victim too.  And I suppressed all of my feelings for years.  It was a grad school course that opened a door for me.  The class dealt with defining who you are - and I realized how much of myself was defined by what happened to me.  I faced it head on and had a very serious mental breakdown before picking up the pieces again.  It's been about 4 years since that time, but even now I find myself still healing, still trying to find answers. 

I found power in being a survivor in every way that mattered but hated that I was defined by such a horrible act.  Some days I can't find a way to reconcile that - other days, it's what motivates me.

There are very few people who see that internal struggle that I face.  It's hard for me to see people struggle to find the answers for me, when I know that I'm the only one who can figure myself out.

OK here goes I too was an adult rape victim and also repeatedly raped as a child I take these kind of scenes maybe too seriously I'm always looking at internal thoughts of the victims maybe it's because of my personal experiences.� I totally agree never ever let the aggressor win, which is why today I am a happy go lucky determined positive person who only wants the best for me, but I do take these things serious and again maybe too serious, I wonder was Hannah really OK afterwards or does she still have demons to deal with.

Hannah has the incredible advantage of having such wonderful female role models and leaders.  I think her heritage plays a very vital role in how she deals with any life altering situation.

When I had to face my own rape, my own culture played a crucial role in how I dealt with it.  I'm of asian descent, from a very male dominated culture - with the expectation of obedience, submissiveness and meekness.  There was shame, guilt, fear and anger - with a family duty of maintaining appearances and reputation. 

I think it's very different for Hannah.  She comes from a culture where a woman has a choice to choose her path.  She is allowed to find herself freely.

Good point Mary, I never took in consideration her culture and beliefs.

I am more than a little taken aback at the personal stories here. That the three of you survived and found the strength to heal is a real testament to the power of the human spirit.

For me personally, I have never had this experience and hope I never will. Friends, yes, and a relative, so all my understanding of the trauma and aftermath is second hand. When I write about things like this, terrible things that happen to normal people, I have to stretch to the breaking point in order to try to get into their heads. This is the real challenge in writing this kind of story. Not only trying to get into Hannah's frame of mind in that attack, but also into Nathaniel's when he chose not to extend a hand to Billy Kirby, and did just the opposite, sent him to his death. I don't think I could do that, but Nathaniel could, and in his head I could see how and why it happened that way. There are dozens of situations like that in the books, but by far the most challenging one was this rape scene.

There was one other scene where there was an attempted rape, but otherwise I have stayed away from this particular kind of tragedy because I didn't know if I could pull it off. This time Hannah made it clear to me that the story was going in that direction, and that I'd have to try to follow her. I didn't do it lightly. I really dislike authors who sprinkle rapes throughout their books. I find it gratuitous.

In this case, Hannah has been in some very tough situations. She has seen murder up close on the battlefield and off it; she has seen children killed by soldiers, and she has treated women raped in the aftermath of battle. These things are very real to her, and so when she experienced the attack herself first hand she brought a certain reservoir of knowledge and understanding with her. Not that she didn't suffer, and require time to heal. Of course she did. But it seems to me that for a modern day woman (unless she lives in Darfur or Rwanda or Bosnia or Bagdad) it's almost impossible to imagine the kind of life Hannah led while she was in the west, and how that influenced the way she lived her life and reacted to things as common as childbirth or as traumatic as rape.

Just to give a different perspective...
I was molested for a few years as a child, and later in an abusive relationship as a young adult.� My dad found out after the fact on both of these issues.� He called me last night to tell me that he finished the book and thought it was excellent.� Then he commented that what happened to Hannah was hard for him to take and that he had to set the book down and pace for awhile, then he went out hunting (shooting a gun is good therapy for him ;) ).� I realize that this was his way of telling me that he was imagining his daughter's struggles as he read.

ITA with this.� This helped me to really understand Hannah and how she made her way through life.� Not to diminish the horror or trauma of rape - but what helped me during my healing process was knowing that there are worse things that could happen to me.� I wouldn't let this break me.� For Hannah, she has lived through some very horrific experiences - has witnessed the very worse of human nature that have directly and indirectly impacted her life, and she's managed to walk away from it with her head on her shoulders.� Her suffering was a little more evident in QOS - and we did get a glimpse into that unresolved pain.�

I have a better understanding on this, the simple fact that Hannah buried her child and walked back home to her family and learned to smile again should have been enough of a reminder of Hannah's pure strength and will of character.

Perhaps I put her in a modern situtation, the rape was so degradingly disgusting (as they all are) and I think you did such a good job depicting the scene, her turning into herself etc... that I was there and then put the situtation into modern times not taking into consideration her history only mine.�� As I read the scene I kept hoping that he wouldn't rape her, maybe he'd beat her afterall a man who could send his own flesh and blood to slavery/death is capable of anything but the rape just made me stand up and I spent some time after in the book wondering about her reaction how she was going to cope.� I have survived multiple rapes and abuse on my person most of my early life and adulthood and managed to survive with bells on for that matter but I have never spoken of the experience with other victims/survivors so I didn't know how others have survived.  Thank you ladies for sharing.

I also would like to bring up the fact that she had experienced having a loving husband and being a loving mother before all of the horrors of war and losing her husband and son, and experienced all of this before she was raped.

I know part of my "problems" in coming to terms with it came from the fact that this was the first real horror I ever experienced. Almost like skin, the first cut hurts the worst, cuts on scars do not hurt nearly as much and are harder to do.

I hope that after all this pain, the rest of Hannah's life will be spent in peace. She deserves some happiness and rest after all of the horrors of her past. <Hint hint to the woman who owns the keyboard that types the story>

Now you can throw my hint aside and stomp on it because I know that you know what is best for the story and characters. Just ignor me.. I ramble.

Madame Who?� No, I recognize the name, but her backstory was not something I fully grasped on first reading.� I'll pay closer attention on the second reading.� Once again, though, I was never lost in the story.� You provided detail when it was needed to keep me up to speed.

Responding to these comments collectively, I'll start by saying that like Rosina, I dislike gratuitous rape scenes in books.  I was grateful that the act itself was not explicitly detailed.  It was hurtful enough to me as a reader who loves Hannah -- I didn't need (or want) details. 

Regarding Hannah's healing, I think Mary puts it very well.  "She has lost so much in her life that she found a way to do what it took to move on."  Has she moved on?  Yes.  She was able to do this because of her own life experiences and because a huge part of her identity as a woman is her ability to choose her own path.  Still, rape then was essentially the same as it is today.  At some point, she will need help, and it would be interesting to see how it might be handled in early 1800's Paradise, which is decidedly different from today!

Though she's put it behind her, she surely has yet to fully heal.  She will always bear the scars, though they may be well hidden.  Will it come back to haunt her in Paradise?  For her sake, I hope not, but it would be understandable if it did.

I too am glad that you did not go into detail. But I must say (again and again) Rosina you have a way of writting characters that inspire moving towads the light.

Also, thank you for bringing all of us together. I have found closer in some of my own issues, and comfort in friends that have gone through many of the same things I have gone through. Thanks to you, I met one of my best friends. <waves at Robyn>